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	<title>Comments on: Why PR companies act like 3rd rate direct marketing agencies</title>
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	<description>Andrew Bruce Smith of escherman on technology PR. And George Orwell. Mostly.</description>
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		<title>By: Danny Brown</title>
		<link>http://escherman.wordpress.com/2008/02/22/why-pr-companies-act-like-3rd-rate-direct-marketing-agencies/#comment-495</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 13:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post and raises some interesting points, many of which I spoke about to PR and media students at a college in Toronto recently.

I think that PR definitely has an &quot;image problem&quot;, and that this is exarcebated by the types of companies and individuals mentioned in this piece.

However, there are a lot of excellent agencies out there, as well as PR individuals - many of whom it looks like read your blog. 

I would say that the face of PR is changing - there are many more boutique agencies around today, which tend to offer a far more rounded and pleasurable experience for clients. Business relationships are better because the smaller agency can&#039;t afford to lose clients, and media relationships should be better since, again, smaller agencies can&#039;t afford to lose clients, and the surefire way to do this is by pissing off media folk, who will then simply ignore your news. Of course, professional courtesy and a genuine love for the job will help!

It amazes me that there are still companies out there that don&#039;t use some form of CMS or CRM software - I wonder if they are still running gas lamps for their light and heat source?  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post and raises some interesting points, many of which I spoke about to PR and media students at a college in Toronto recently.</p>
<p>I think that PR definitely has an &#8220;image problem&#8221;, and that this is exarcebated by the types of companies and individuals mentioned in this piece.</p>
<p>However, there are a lot of excellent agencies out there, as well as PR individuals &#8211; many of whom it looks like read your blog. </p>
<p>I would say that the face of PR is changing &#8211; there are many more boutique agencies around today, which tend to offer a far more rounded and pleasurable experience for clients. Business relationships are better because the smaller agency can&#8217;t afford to lose clients, and media relationships should be better since, again, smaller agencies can&#8217;t afford to lose clients, and the surefire way to do this is by pissing off media folk, who will then simply ignore your news. Of course, professional courtesy and a genuine love for the job will help!</p>
<p>It amazes me that there are still companies out there that don&#8217;t use some form of CMS or CRM software &#8211; I wonder if they are still running gas lamps for their light and heat source?  <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Bruce Smith</title>
		<link>http://escherman.wordpress.com/2008/02/22/why-pr-companies-act-like-3rd-rate-direct-marketing-agencies/#comment-299</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Bruce Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@intuitivelyobvious - you are absolutely right - I know, because many years ago I was that director level person who was handed responsibility for managing the internal media database at a very large PR firm.  I hired someone full time to help me run it. And let&#039;s be honest, it wasn&#039;t a roaring success. Some of the reasons I&#039;ve already alluded too (culture, info hoarding) - also, we certainly didn&#039;t use the most appropriate technology platform (we used Lotus Notes - not my choice, but I had to live with it). It did bring home to just how difficult even moderately ambitious IT projects can be to pull off. I knew what I wanted the app to do - but communicating that to the guys doing the Notes development was another thing - plus even after you&#039;ve asked users what they want, their view changes when you actually deliver the app.

Anyone who runs a successful, centralised media database in a mid to large size agency gets my vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@intuitivelyobvious &#8211; you are absolutely right &#8211; I know, because many years ago I was that director level person who was handed responsibility for managing the internal media database at a very large PR firm.  I hired someone full time to help me run it. And let&#8217;s be honest, it wasn&#8217;t a roaring success. Some of the reasons I&#8217;ve already alluded too (culture, info hoarding) &#8211; also, we certainly didn&#8217;t use the most appropriate technology platform (we used Lotus Notes &#8211; not my choice, but I had to live with it). It did bring home to just how difficult even moderately ambitious IT projects can be to pull off. I knew what I wanted the app to do &#8211; but communicating that to the guys doing the Notes development was another thing &#8211; plus even after you&#8217;ve asked users what they want, their view changes when you actually deliver the app.</p>
<p>Anyone who runs a successful, centralised media database in a mid to large size agency gets my vote.</p>
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		<title>By: intuitivelyobvious</title>
		<link>http://escherman.wordpress.com/2008/02/22/why-pr-companies-act-like-3rd-rate-direct-marketing-agencies/#comment-298</link>
		<dc:creator>intuitivelyobvious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Creating and maintaining a valid database takes time, money, and discipline. First of all, you need a staff person who really takes ownership of the project. Then you need full cooperation of everyone who comes across new information. It is also important to have some decent technology that is user friendly and doesn&#039;t require an IT guy to access it. Then you should have people who understand - and respect - the CAN SPAM act.  I&#039;ve worked where we lacked one or more of the above...and it shows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Creating and maintaining a valid database takes time, money, and discipline. First of all, you need a staff person who really takes ownership of the project. Then you need full cooperation of everyone who comes across new information. It is also important to have some decent technology that is user friendly and doesn&#8217;t require an IT guy to access it. Then you should have people who understand &#8211; and respect &#8211; the CAN SPAM act.  I&#8217;ve worked where we lacked one or more of the above&#8230;and it shows.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Bruce Smith</title>
		<link>http://escherman.wordpress.com/2008/02/22/why-pr-companies-act-like-3rd-rate-direct-marketing-agencies/#comment-282</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Bruce Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 19:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Stuart - I fully appreciate that it is one thing to espouse values. And another to maintain them in the face of every day commercial life. It is tough - but then anything worth having or doing usually involves some blood sweat and tears. Nevertheless, good luck with your value instilling and scaling :-)

@Annabel - good to hear from you! Your experience seems to chime with other people I&#039;ve talked to. Having said that, I realise it is easy to forget that those of us who see the benefit of blogs, RSS and the rest of the PR 2.0 toolbox are still in the minority. But even so, it is disappointing to hear that widely discredited practices are still highly prevalent.

@Wadds - &quot;a bit of a broad brush&quot; - what, more B&amp;Q than Da Vinci? ;-)  Even if it is true that most agencies have a data management policy or a centralised media management system and tools (which I&#039;m not convinced they all do), that doesn&#039;t mean the policies are adhered to or that centralised systems are being used properly. If they were, than journalists like Danny (and he is not alone) wouldn&#039;t have the experiences they do.

Of course, it goes without saying that Rainier is different in every respect ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Stuart &#8211; I fully appreciate that it is one thing to espouse values. And another to maintain them in the face of every day commercial life. It is tough &#8211; but then anything worth having or doing usually involves some blood sweat and tears. Nevertheless, good luck with your value instilling and scaling <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@Annabel &#8211; good to hear from you! Your experience seems to chime with other people I&#8217;ve talked to. Having said that, I realise it is easy to forget that those of us who see the benefit of blogs, RSS and the rest of the PR 2.0 toolbox are still in the minority. But even so, it is disappointing to hear that widely discredited practices are still highly prevalent.</p>
<p>@Wadds &#8211; &#8220;a bit of a broad brush&#8221; &#8211; what, more B&amp;Q than Da Vinci? <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />   Even if it is true that most agencies have a data management policy or a centralised media management system and tools (which I&#8217;m not convinced they all do), that doesn&#8217;t mean the policies are adhered to or that centralised systems are being used properly. If they were, than journalists like Danny (and he is not alone) wouldn&#8217;t have the experiences they do.</p>
<p>Of course, it goes without saying that Rainier is different in every respect <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Waddington</title>
		<link>http://escherman.wordpress.com/2008/02/22/why-pr-companies-act-like-3rd-rate-direct-marketing-agencies/#comment-281</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Waddington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bit extreme and a bit of a broad brush. Can&#039;t believe that in 2008 most agencies don&#039;t have a data management policy or a centralised media management system and tools. Agencies will adapt or die.

Your second point: agencies have always sent out piss poor releases. It&#039;s easier than ever to disseminate material for agencies are doing it more believing that churning out material will lead to results.

Rainier PR&#039;s different of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bit extreme and a bit of a broad brush. Can&#8217;t believe that in 2008 most agencies don&#8217;t have a data management policy or a centralised media management system and tools. Agencies will adapt or die.</p>
<p>Your second point: agencies have always sent out piss poor releases. It&#8217;s easier than ever to disseminate material for agencies are doing it more believing that churning out material will lead to results.</p>
<p>Rainier PR&#8217;s different of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Annabel</title>
		<link>http://escherman.wordpress.com/2008/02/22/why-pr-companies-act-like-3rd-rate-direct-marketing-agencies/#comment-278</link>
		<dc:creator>Annabel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Andrew

You know me. We used to work at A+ and you&#039;re a Facebook friend. I agree with your blog and it&#039;s one of the main reasons I now work for myself.  For the past few years I&#039;ve been doing music pr. All my press releases are sent out on a list which journalists can unsubscribe  from, (or subscribe to if they like). Most are linked to RSS feeds and although I do some old fashioned &#039;bread and butter&#039; PR things I probably spent equal time, pitching individual blogs, creating links and blogs. Not to mention managing social networking accounts. I very rarely annoy journalists because I only contact them when I have a real story. The smaller stories are confined to blogs, and other online forms. I don&#039;t just speak to journalists but also the buyer directly.

I thought this was how most PR people would conduct things these days. How wrong I was during a small stint  freelancing at various tech agencies I was bewildered to discover that very little has changed. Not only do they still use Internet Explorer (as their browser of choice) they still use Mediadisc to spam journalists, they still indulge pointless ring rounds to journalists who aren&#039;t interested and some even send attachments.  I mentioned the word &#039;blog&#039; and was shot down instantly with a black look. 

I was actually shocked and felt like I&#039;d gone back in time. 


I like the bad direct marketing analogy. That&#039;s exactly what some companies do!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Andrew</p>
<p>You know me. We used to work at A+ and you&#8217;re a Facebook friend. I agree with your blog and it&#8217;s one of the main reasons I now work for myself.  For the past few years I&#8217;ve been doing music pr. All my press releases are sent out on a list which journalists can unsubscribe  from, (or subscribe to if they like). Most are linked to RSS feeds and although I do some old fashioned &#8216;bread and butter&#8217; PR things I probably spent equal time, pitching individual blogs, creating links and blogs. Not to mention managing social networking accounts. I very rarely annoy journalists because I only contact them when I have a real story. The smaller stories are confined to blogs, and other online forms. I don&#8217;t just speak to journalists but also the buyer directly.</p>
<p>I thought this was how most PR people would conduct things these days. How wrong I was during a small stint  freelancing at various tech agencies I was bewildered to discover that very little has changed. Not only do they still use Internet Explorer (as their browser of choice) they still use Mediadisc to spam journalists, they still indulge pointless ring rounds to journalists who aren&#8217;t interested and some even send attachments.  I mentioned the word &#8216;blog&#8217; and was shot down instantly with a black look. </p>
<p>I was actually shocked and felt like I&#8217;d gone back in time. </p>
<p>I like the bad direct marketing analogy. That&#8217;s exactly what some companies do!</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart Bruce</title>
		<link>http://escherman.wordpress.com/2008/02/22/why-pr-companies-act-like-3rd-rate-direct-marketing-agencies/#comment-277</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuart Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good analysis and well argued. After a few years freelancing it is an interesting challenge to be running a growing consulancy. The reason that I freelanced is that I didn&#039;t want to comprimise myself by working for an agency that had different values, ethics and practices to my own. The challenge now is how to instill those values in a team and even more importantly be able to scale them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good analysis and well argued. After a few years freelancing it is an interesting challenge to be running a growing consulancy. The reason that I freelanced is that I didn&#8217;t want to comprimise myself by working for an agency that had different values, ethics and practices to my own. The challenge now is how to instill those values in a team and even more importantly be able to scale them.</p>
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